tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.comments2023-11-03T02:49:01.010-07:00Debunking Loftus: Setting John StraightTruth Be Toldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02054029140219121029noreply@blogger.comBlogger760125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-41677527464229417762018-02-25T04:01:41.440-08:002018-02-25T04:01:41.440-08:00Why is Christian chat important? Many people find ...Why is Christian chat important? Many people find that when they begin to chat with people who have the same outlook on life, family, friendship and religion, that they are truly able to form a deeper connection with that person. <a href="http://christianschat.net/" rel="nofollow">Christian chat</a><br />Alexfrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18362297960327329544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-84791995298834093312016-05-30T06:19:50.997-07:002016-05-30T06:19:50.997-07:00I was thinking the same. Just a lot of ad hominem ...I was thinking the same. Just a lot of ad hominem attacks and Authority fallacies. It should not be important the amount of books written by them. Quality > Quantity.Amadeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07261352365550350116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-24788072097991545672016-01-24T20:52:19.956-08:002016-01-24T20:52:19.956-08:00Here are our last exchanges before I was banished:...Here are our last exchanges before I was banished: Bronxboy47, I appreciate your comments too. I know you and Cygnus have had problems with each other. I don't have the time to look back and see how they originated. Nor do I want to.<br /><br />You bring up a good point though, that I wouldn't find it "much fun if he aimed one of his totally off-the-wall attacks in your direction." So my advice to him is to refrain and settle down a bit. My advice to you is to ignore his comments if you can.<br /><br />I'm not going to be a hall monitor between people here.<br /> • Reply•Share › <br />Avatar<br />Bronxboy47 John W. Loftus • an hour ago<br />John, that's the second time you've responded to a post of mine by claiming not to be a hall monitor, and I must say I resent being talked to as if I were a high school adolescent bringing tales to the principal. My most recent comments were not addressed to you and I certainly didn't ask for you to intervene. Please refrain from talking down to me.<br /> • Edit• Reply•Share › <br />Avatar<br />John W. Loftus Mod Bronxboy47 • 30 minutes ago<br />Okay then. Let me rephrase it. I do not intend to arbitrate your disagreements. The second time? So, you don't play well with others, eh?<br /> • Reply•Share › <br />Avatar<br />Bronxboy47 John W. Loftus • 26 minutes ago<br />No one asked you to arbitrate anything. As I said, my most recent comments were not addressed to you, so why should you feel the need to arbitrate when your assistance hasn't been asked for. I will ignore that last sentence of yours which was totally uncalled for.<br /> • Edit• Reply•Share › <br />Avatar<br />John W. Loftus Mod • 20 minutes ago<br />I don't like to deal with problems and you have become a problem. Don't tell me what I should do on my blog. Your best bet at this point is not to say anything that requires me to respond to you about this.<br /> • Reply•Share › <br />−<br />Avatar<br />Bronxboy47 John W. Loftus • 12 minutes ago<br />I asked for your response once several months ago and was told you weren't a hall monitor. That was the only time I asked for a response from you. Feel free to remove my posts so others won't see how completely irrational and ill-tempered your last two posts to me have been. I won't be posting here again. Your egomania was beginning to wear on me anyway.<br /> • Edit• Reply•Share › <br />Avatar<br />John W. Loftus Mod • a minute ago<br />Your wish. I'll oblige.<br />Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-79440802440929954522016-01-24T20:48:42.169-08:002016-01-24T20:48:42.169-08:00Honesty isn't exactly Mr.Loftus'strong sui...Honesty isn't exactly Mr.Loftus'strong suit. I was just banned from his site (pardon the pun)for having pointed out how condescending and irrational his replies to me have been.You would have to hire a pack of Sherpas to help you scale the peak of his notoriously sensitive ego. Bronxboy47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12820086206830534185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-53074634969038921172014-06-26T18:36:34.229-07:002014-06-26T18:36:34.229-07:00And then Jesus came upon his disciples and said, &...And then Jesus came upon his disciples and said, "Brethren, what's this shit I've been hearing about me being a human sacrifice for your sins!!!?<br /><br />May I asketh, who in the goddamn hell came up with that Neanderthal bullshit!!!!?<br /><br />Blood sacrifice!!!! Are you all fucking insane with that caveman horseshit!!!!!!!!!????<br /><br />Brethren, I'd lick Judas's ass crack before I'd agree to your dying for sins donkey shit!!!!<br /><br />Although, truth be told, Judas does give a mean blow job!!"<br /><br />----Jesus Christ, The Gospel of Sane Thoughtkilo papahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15112057471953902453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-76085766152134398142013-06-13T12:47:28.913-07:002013-06-13T12:47:28.913-07:00Is it me, or does Loftus have an unnatural fixatio...Is it me, or does Loftus have an unnatural fixation with William Lane Craig? If you think someone is intellectually wrong, why would you continually bring him up? I can only speculate that the ghost of Craig somehow haunts John Loftus. I do not personally continue to bring up people I think are dubious. To do so only validates and gives credit to such folk. Me thinks he dost protest to much!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10391381876312927934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-5758801535242961422013-06-13T12:38:28.234-07:002013-06-13T12:38:28.234-07:00I've just discovered brother Loftus. I'm g...I've just discovered brother Loftus. I'm glad to see that you agree he comes across as full of himself. I thought maybe it was just me. In a recent post, on his blog, he responded to a question with red herrings, platitudes, and ad hominem abusive arguments. Hardly what what I would see as the behavior of a true philosopher. No matter how many books he claims to have read about apologetics, he has apparently gleaned no understanding of logic. As for a description, the term blowhard seems to come to mind for some reason. <br /><br />Regards.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10391381876312927934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-47977472130655676502013-05-17T12:37:52.666-07:002013-05-17T12:37:52.666-07:00Wow, this is tiring. Christians really think ad ho...Wow, this is tiring. Christians really think ad hominem attacks are proof that God gave himself a body so that he could kill himself and come back as a zombie.<br /><br />Sorry, ad hominem attacks don't cut it. Same goes for WLC, who talks loud and turns purple but never has any argument that doesn't boil down to, "But, but the Bible says Jesus came back as a zombie!"Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-19745030187815676612013-05-09T12:11:36.866-07:002013-05-09T12:11:36.866-07:00I haven't read his book Why I Became An Atheis...I haven't read his book Why I Became An Atheist. What were the three reasons he gave for his deconversion? I think I heard that one is because of the affair that he had.Clinton Wilcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018335374680419858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-54024939144984421842013-01-07T11:56:50.034-08:002013-01-07T11:56:50.034-08:00Doubtful but possible. As I see it most of them ar...Doubtful but possible. As I see it most of them are sheep so it wouldn't make a difference either way. Truth Be Toldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02054029140219121029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-13061716289868251442013-01-04T21:39:20.662-08:002013-01-04T21:39:20.662-08:00xena, the blog has been in limbo for a while and I...xena, the blog has been in limbo for a while and I'm not exactly sure about your situation. But I can assure you you're comments are not being "deleted." If they are, they might be because someone else took the liberty of doing so according to some of the policies here. But I've been gone for a while and wouldn't know about it. Truth Be Toldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02054029140219121029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-39605636188530494982012-12-12T18:02:19.005-08:002012-12-12T18:02:19.005-08:00Why does an atheist feel they have to change a bel...Why does an atheist feel they have to change a believers belief. It's like a child who dosent have the mental ability to agree to disagree. There anger towards another's beliefs are the result of limited minds. Which is more plausible, that all the stuff in the universe was just here. That's like saying the shoes you wear were just here, there was no designer and no manufacturer, they just are they were brought into existence by a big bang. Once again I stress limited minds. There was a designer and a manufacturer of the shoes. Class over. Now get over it. It is my right to believe what I beleive. The only difference is I think before I speak.arkpacrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16857718702149740968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-26904036430268464052012-02-22T18:03:32.389-08:002012-02-22T18:03:32.389-08:00For somebody who claims to be such a 'champion...For somebody who claims to be such a 'champion of women's rights' there are precious few female commenters stopping by his blog. Several people with female-ish online names turned up at Freethought recently to complain about more Loftus&crew pile-ons at DC. These people were barred from DC as a result of trying to argue back against accusations of--what else? Stupidity and arrogance. Again. Same old broken record.<br /><br />I actually found the kerfuffle on Freethought rather amusing. A translady named Natalie authored a post with some mild, "I like you John, but..." criticisms, which were way too kind, imo. And JWL responded with the usual paranoid and childish rantings about being 'attacked'. The net result of this hissy fit was, of course, 3 posts on his blog and 2 on theirs.<br /><br />Does he attack female commenters more often than males? We'll probably never know. We aren't allowed to argue back. He bars us from his blog for telling him he's out of line. I can't speak for other women, but I certainly can't respect anybody who goes into attack mode over every hint of disagreement, or humour. And the drama over the exes? That's why I don't watch Maury Povich anymore. I'm not impressed. Your kids are going to hate you for the way you trashed their mother, John.<br /><br />This guy is making male feminist allies look bad, he's making non-theists look bad by trying to align himself with us, and he's completely undermining his own attempts at calling himself a rational thinker.<br /><br />I hate to break it to you, John, but you are NOT a friend of feminists and you are NOT rational. You're trying to be a diva when you're nowhere near good-looking enough to get famous for having tantrums, and you're trying to be respected for your IQ while your EQ is pathetic. Grow up. Feminists DON'T want a paranoid whiner like you trying to speak for us.xenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02893781156948327182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-38597113376176474622012-02-20T21:57:05.298-08:002012-02-20T21:57:05.298-08:00The N'avi. Er, yeah. Ok. And commenter Articul...The N'avi. Er, yeah. Ok. And commenter Articulett is jumping on dissenting newcomers to the blog again, saying that Loftus is 'expressing an opinion' and that's his perogative.<br /><br />Is her timing convenient or what?<br /><br />Is anybody else here wondering if Articulett is JWL's sock puppet?xenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02893781156948327182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-14827531154110148552012-02-16T16:53:47.664-08:002012-02-16T16:53:47.664-08:00I am trying to focus my criticisms on Loftus' ...I am trying to focus my criticisms on Loftus' flawed arguments, rather than making statements that come up to the "not allowed on this site" line. I'm for real. If my understanding of your policies needs tweaking, let me know.<br /><br />As I am reading more and more past articles, I'm seeing that most of my criticisms are nothing new. You have said it all. Loftus and his commenters are like a broken record in that "You're stupid and arrogant" is the alpha and omega of every flawed argument they hurl at people who oppose them: be they theists, or non-theists.<br /><br />So, if you're deleting my comments because they're just repetiotions of something I didn't know you'd already written, I'll take it. Just let me know if I'm doing something you consider rude, so I can stop doing it and get on with my day. Thank you :-)xenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02893781156948327182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-53857163594107750372012-02-16T08:50:50.491-08:002012-02-16T08:50:50.491-08:00My comments seem to be disappearing. Have I misund...My comments seem to be disappearing. Have I misunderstood your comment policy, or are they just tied up in moderation?xenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02893781156948327182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-36257913361634857922012-02-12T04:01:45.281-08:002012-02-12T04:01:45.281-08:00MAJOR DEVELOPEMENT...a NEW edition of WIBA is comi...MAJOR DEVELOPEMENT...a NEW edition of WIBA is coming out in March. <br /><br />There is a major issue exposed in this new edition.<br /><br />A friend of mine has access to to an advance reading copy, which is coming out in March.<br /><br />You may recall that in WIBA Loftus gave THREE MAIN REASONS for his "deconversion", two of which were EMOTIONAL...in the New Edition he gives One Main Different Reason.<br /><br />This clearly indicates that the reasons for his deconversion are "evolving" to fit his his own evolving situation.<br /><br />If he lied about his deconversion, is it possible he is lying about other things?<br /><br />Loftus has stupidly denied this over at Triblogue, and I offered to prove it to him if he would allow me to post the info on his blog but he is blocking me. <br /><br />No matter...the New Edition, which is inferior to the previous edition, will be coming out soon enough.<br /><br />(Don't worry, he is already working up his excuse for this...apparently he was divorced in Novermber and, in his own words, has been drinking himself to sleep. In such a confused state, he did not edit his proof properly, etc.)Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137890891223067672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-7920591980778603602012-02-11T09:09:07.314-08:002012-02-11T09:09:07.314-08:00I'm new to this site. I wish I'd found thi...I'm new to this site. I wish I'd found this site when there was still time to vote. But better late than never. I posted my full rant on your comment policy page, just to make sure everybody would see it.<br /><br />I'm not even a Xtian. I went to Loftus' site looking for somebody to agree with and laugh with. A bunch of his paranoid followers, who obviously forgot how to read during all those years in grad school *snerk* started a pile-on over something I didn't even say.<br /><br />I despise those people because they argue like Men's Rights Activists. A dood has to be overcompensating for something really tiny to accuse a lady of 'wanting to feel superior' for stating that she likes Monty Python :-P<br /><br />The lack of women stopping by Loftus' site was warning bell#1. Their affiliation with the Apologists should have tipped me off that they'd be misogynists. It doesn't surprise me that they attack the disabled too. That's what weak people do.<br /><br />So Loftus has a new book out, and he's trying to get his 3 pedantic friends to nominate it for some award. He doesn't deserve any awards. My nominations will always go to Hemant Mehta. Hemant's site is the best.<br /><br />I'm trying to hit some of the people who have Loftus on their blog rolls to stop advertising for that stuffed shirt, and take their links down.<br /><br />If you folks really want to stick it to Loftus, I would recommend you use the new SOPA guidelines. Get as much plagiarized crap deleted from his site as you can, and then put the evidence out before the nomination committees. He won't be able to win a spitting contest after that.xenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02893781156948327182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-85075187812188133132011-10-22T09:25:46.528-07:002011-10-22T09:25:46.528-07:00Loftus, by his own admission, has lied about many ...Loftus, by his own admission, has lied about many important things.<br /><br />He does not have any credility anymore; remember how he used to brag about the "firepower" at his site with is list of regular contributors?<br /><br />Except for Avolos, that is all gone. Either the other atheists didn't like his double dealing.Emanuel Goldsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02653303041185240250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-27440902250164174612011-06-22T06:03:02.481-07:002011-06-22T06:03:02.481-07:00Kind of funny too, the cartoon he uses includes Bi...Kind of funny too, the cartoon he uses includes Bible quotes that he has been told -- repeatedly -- are NOT "anti-woman".<br /><br />But for John, a cartoon beats sound scholarship any time.J. P Holdinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09917892597771877097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-47854050873858653982011-06-18T15:15:08.938-07:002011-06-18T15:15:08.938-07:00Yah. Most people will also assume that John wrote ...Yah. Most people will also assume that John wrote most of the book. Think about that one for a second. These books that John keeps pumping out are mostly written by other people! So it is deceptive to lead your readers into believing that what you call one of your "masterpieces" is actually written by several other people who created most of the contents. <br /><br />Which brings to question who is actually the brains behind the arguments being put forth?Truth Be Toldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02054029140219121029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-19522527357297537632011-06-17T04:17:03.022-07:002011-06-17T04:17:03.022-07:00Not sure about my last post going through, but as ...Not sure about my last post going through, but as I was saying...<br /><br />John is now announcing how much of the new book already has pages and pages available for review at Amazon...pages and pages.<br /><br />Its bad.<br /><br />I mean, really.<br /><br />It is another anthology taking a Shotgun approach to varied subjects that have whole books devoted to them and deals with them in Chapters of varying length. The misleading thing is that people reviewing these subjects may well come away thinking they have received a balanced treatment of the subject when in fact they have not.<br /><br />ALL of the "scholars" who contribute have stated agendas and are not even making a pretense at objectivity. Convulted, turgid, prose that sometimes degnerates to ranting.<br /><br />I mean, this is even worse than the last anthology, and although it is a little hard to tell from what is available for review, although there is a lot, it looks like John has not contributed as much as in the last book.<br /><br />I am certain, though, that this book is going to receive a series of "welcoming" reviews that will be unlike anything John has seen yet!<br /><br />In fact, I can guarantee it. LOL!Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137890891223067672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-76548423001097720052011-06-04T20:10:42.649-07:002011-06-04T20:10:42.649-07:00Worse off Morrison, it's another classic examp...Worse off Morrison, it's another classic example of where John's arguments are intertwined with his personality and ethical (or lackof) character.<br /><br />These are important issues John can't just expect to run away from if he really wants to be taken seriously by respectable individuals who know about these details. He has to own up to them eventually, and if never does, then why should we believe him when he says such things about sexism?Truth Be Toldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02054029140219121029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-10596108363035838812011-06-04T03:06:46.549-07:002011-06-04T03:06:46.549-07:00Its pretty obvious why Loftus has taken this line ...Its pretty obvious why Loftus has taken this line of attack...he knows that he gave the show away when he admitted that Two of the Three main reasons he "left" Christianity were emotional, and the whole mess was set off by his treatment of women.<br /><br />Face it, he was the director of a Shelter and had sex with an employee and now trashes her in his book to excuse his actions.<br /><br />I wonder how she felt being trashed openly like that? Well, who knows but is certain that John could care less.<br /><br />Worse...he trashed his OWN WIFE as "lacking passion". This woman, now his ex, is the Mother of His Children.<br /><br />Does he care how SHE feels being trashed like that in his book?<br /><br />Does he care how his kids feel about MOM being trashed like that?<br /><br />Apparently not, since he did it and defends it.<br /><br />Concern for women? No...something else is going on, because his actions reflect the exact opposite.Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137890891223067672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3226805636012568940.post-52191720946988335692011-06-01T20:15:31.219-07:002011-06-01T20:15:31.219-07:00I shouldn't have to spell this out for anyone,...I shouldn't have to spell this out for anyone, but I'm going to just this once:<br /><br />Let the record be settled that those who try to make the discussion on how hypocritical Christians are and how Christians don't see the glaring flaws of their own religion will go IGNORED.<br /><br />If you have something else that is more important and doesn't deal with seemingly irrelevant and pointless questions/trivia, then please feel free to share. Otherwise, don't expect a response from me on these issues. I'll consider it trolling from here on out.Truth Be Toldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02054029140219121029noreply@blogger.com