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Wednesday, August 11, 2010

John Loftus for PETA?

"Since human beings have evolved from the lower animals we would expect the lower animals to exhibit some of the traits we have developed more fully. There is plenty of evidence they can remember, have emotions, and feel compassion. They also know in limited ways that they are doing wrong. I see this in my cat every day. When we say no he throws a temper tantrum. Some dogs poop on the carpet when neglected to get our attention, if we're gone too long. This evidence bolsters the claim that morality evolved and it also presents theists with what I call "The Darwinian Problem of Evil.""

It just so happens that I've picked up on another trait of John's that is common with his DC articles, and this time it is a matter of self-referencing. In an effort to look smart and creative, John coins some fancy schmancy term that has been probably been used elsewhere in the past or is a rip-off of something he most likely found in a philosophy book. Anything to make himself look like he is actually a doctor in the subject. But that is neither here nor there...

The more enlightenment John has to shed about the Animal Kingdom the more and more convinced I become that John just might endorse the animal rights extremist group, PETA. What reasons do I have? Well...

  • John advocates that a "perfect" hypothetical world would be one without any predation, where every living being (excluding plants of course) would be vegetarians.
  • John obsesses on animals, and continually points to the Animal Kingdom as a source of argumentation against the theist worldview.
  • John assumes that the emotional displays and gestures of animals are almost exactly the same as humans, hence:
  • John comes up with some rinky-tink term like "The Darwinian Problem of Evil" with many several philosophical errors. First off, do animals have a concept of evil? Do they even view suffering in the same way that humans do? If they don't, then there is no "problem of evil" because it does not apply to animals who are without a concept of good and evil.

There is no beating around the bush that humans are animals just like non-human animals are animals. We share what are called sets of basic instincts. But beyond this, it is not surprising that our minds work differently because of our occupational niche'. Believe it or not, the niche' is what in turn molds us into how we look at the world. If this were not true than it would not be the case that the American economic system has been able to pick itself up even in the midst of crises, such as the one we are currently facing now. In America, people are allowed to build a career out of their passions, in turn offering vitality and strength to the American economy. When concerning matters of evolution, you must never disregard the niche', it is a powerful driving force.

On some common denominator animals can relate to us and foster connections even if we are a different species, such as dolphins having the altruistic ability to save drowning household pets. But again this is almost purely reliant on basic and natural instincts. Keep in mind as animals we share the same genetic code as everything else in life, but what makes the difference is how our genes are expressed, i.e., how they conform to our environment.

If we were to take John's philosophical argument seriously even for just a minute, what would stop us from feeling sympathy for flies and insects when we kill them? What about ants? Spiders? Ticks?

And just like PETA, John assumes that animals have a concept of morality in the same sense that humans do, despite that almost no non-human species out there uses reason or logic to their advantage. Just as PETA suggests that animals out to be treated humanely, without thinking of what it means to be humane.

"Why do they suffer so much if a perfectly good God exists?"

Oh, and, another thing, how do animals suffer in the human sense, John? Do apex predators suffer or something?

3 comments:

  1. >>>It just so happens that I've picked up on another trait of John's that is common with his DC articles, and this time it is a matter of self-referencing. In an effort to look smart and creative, John coins some fancy schmancy term that has been probably been used elsewhere in the past or is a rip-off of something he most likely found in a philosophy book.

    You might be right.

    http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=15425

    See first sentence. The book was put out in 2008 and as far as I can see, John first used the phrase in 2009. Wouldn't be surprised if John owes Murray some royalties.

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  2. Regarding:

    And just like PETA, John assumes that animals have a concept of morality in the same sense that humans do...

    And:

    First off, do animals have a concept of evil? Do they even view suffering in the same way that humans do? If they don't, then there is no "problem of evil" because it does not apply to animals who are without a concept of good and evil.

    I suspect you're rather badly misunderstanding the argument. Whether animals have a concept of good or evil is irrelevant to the question of whether his allowing animal suffering of the sort to be found in our world is evidence against a just and loving God. An animal doesn't have to have the intelligence or mental sophistication to be able to recognize good and evil for it to be wrong to allow them to suffering unnecessarily.....they just need to be capable of suffering.

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  3. David:

    Then this begs the question, in what way do animals suffer "unnecessariy"?

    Most animals die horrific deaths to serve as a food source for predators, and sometimes it's vice versa.

    And if you were to make the entire world vegetarian, who is to say you wouldn't have someone object to the "unnecessary" suffering of plants and vegetables?

    And what about apex predators? How do they suffer, if they do at all?

    The whole thing is ambiguous. Okay, so animals suffer and all that. What is the alternative? Why eat at all? Typically, the only "unnecessary" aspect to the suffering of animals is done by the hand of humans, who are much smarter and more sophisticated. That's my point. What reason do we have to even believe that animals who do not possess reason fall under the umbrella of just love?

    And then let's say you abolish nature the way it is already. You replace it with what, a system of fairness? What is fairness?

    WHAT ABOUT THE PLANTS?

    Parasites and viruses have purpose. And without them, we would overpopulate like crazy. What does Loftus have to offer in favor of reality that would set everything straight, and something that wouldn't be objectionable to anyone in this hypothetical world? Nothing. That's what.

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