Take a good gander at your calendar and you'll see that April Fools Day has hit us all once more. I'm sure there are people like myself who typically don't take the time to notice these things or really get involved with its cultural significance. Luckily, I already had an idea in mind for this special, yet underrated, holiday. That idea of mine was to help "fulfill" the prophecies of John Loftus, which go along the lines of something like this:
John W. Loftus said...
Just a reminder this will be YOU apologizing someday.
This was the very first comment in my previous post here. He posted this, he personally believed, because my profile has the word "Deist" currently on it, that I was going to eventually get aggressive with JP til the point that I became detested by his character. Right.
This year, it dawned onto me that I should probably consider that "April Fools" was just around the corner. This previous week (not far off from when I made my last post) I had concocted a scam in hopes of fooling DJ based off of this line of reasoning. And...it worked.
But let's give credit where credit is due as to why it worked, specifically. I had originally planned to "fake" a conflict with Holding on TWeb to set the realism of what would later become the trap. Obviously, the draft that Loftus got a hold of was still being in development at the time that me and Holding were working together to perfect the scheme. Because of my limited diskspace and the fact that the current computer from which I am blogging from is related to a family relative's business company, and the likeliness that I probably wasn't going to come up with a perfected document within a day of my allowable free time, I had momentarily posted it here on Blogger in order to copy and paste the text so that Holding could examine it and give me suggestions on how it could be better modified.
Unsuspectingly, Ed Babinski, a DC contributor and another frequent commentator on this blog, had subscribed here. Even though the posted draft was probably on here for about a minute and a half, Babinski quickly rushed to the 'Copy and Paste' manuever and sent an e-mail to John, as explained in his post. To both myself and Holding's suprise, John fell for it. DJ just so happened to be more gullible than Holding had previously posited in the past. Even I was sure that DJ would not fall for such a simple plan. And yet, he had.
Well John, I appreciate your somewhat selfless motive in trying to reach out to me and "save" me from Holding, BUT WHAT ON EARTH makes you believe that I would abandon JP for you? Do you not understand that these issues are centered upon moral character, and not philosophical stances? The fact that you make this out to be the case shows you're in serious case of self-delusion. This is a moot point when you fellow non-Christian TWebbers such as Anon and The Moonshield that seem to get along with Holding just fine. More recently, CodewordConduit
(who has also commented on here a few times herself) distanced herself from your destructive behaviors which end up decreasing your crowd of potential allies. So where do you get off assuming that I will follow in the same exact path as Matthew Green? Do you have anything to justify this? If not, why do you make the assumption?
There can't be much said on just how much John's "You bully me because I'm an atheist" is a moot point to boot. It's obvious. The more and more John insists on "engaging" us at TWeb, the more he embarrasses himself. He has no one to blame. But he does try (and is certaintly welcome, as it is his own right to risk his reputation) to save face:
I guess April Fool's Day is an excuse to lie, eh? Only the lie was not offered on this particular day, but a few days ago. Why not lie on, say, July 1st then wait to reveal that it was a lie next time April 1st rolls around? Now with your ignorant example everyone has a right to lie if they want to any time of the year, right? All they have to do is wait until April Fool's day to "confess." Oh, and tell me, gerrymanderers, if this isn't the case then exactly how many days can separate the lie from April 1st when you reveal it as a lie? I'm all ears.
As I've already mentioned on TWeb, the reasons for this "lie" being predetermined prior to April 1st is that this was already planned and prioritized. Without responding to a word I said (because I'm a "sewer" rat not worth responding too of course), I guess DJ didn't really take the time to read anything I typed because he manages to ease his way around the issue by implying that this was sloppy work of some kind. Oh, and just like his Big Blog Lie thread, he double-posted in order to gain some personal salvage. But we all know better than for it to actually work this time:
At least when I was confronted with a lie I owned up to it. What do you think Holding and TBT will do?
Really, John? I mean, REALLY??? Is this the best you can do?
In the event that John still doesn't believe me even after having posted a private message I received from JPH on the intended blog post (at the time of DJ's discovery, it was only a draft), I'll post some more undeniable proof that the whole thing was plotted from A-Z:
Re: A childish favor to ask (March 25th 2009 , 08:47 AM)
Funny you should suggest this. I had a very similar idea myself to "apostasize" on the blog on April 1, but I thought it rather too obvious. Your idea is much more subtle and may have a better chance of working; and if he falls for it, it will indeed, as you say, make him all the more obviously someone who does not think things through.The only catch is that one of his followers on the blog may check the calendar and tip him off. All that collective non-intellect together (eg, Deist Dan) can't even build a Lego barn individually, but together they may figure it out.Sounds good. If you proceed, let me know who else is in on the secret so I don't inadvertantly tip any hands. At a minimum I'd suggest letting Nick (Phoenix) in on it, and the rest of our crew.
Not enough for ya, John? Well then...
An idea! ( March 25th 2009 , 05:19 PM)
OK, here's the deal....
1) I'm due to review "Losing My Religion" by William Lobdell for my E-Block subscription e-zine. I just started reading this evening.
2) DJ LOVES this book: http://debunkingchristianity.blogspo...at-review.html
3) I've already read enough to see that Lobdell isn't credible....he's not as bad as DJ by far, but he's not an intelligent critic either.
4) Tomorrow sometime in the morning, I'll give him a Screwball Award.
4) Later tomorrow, you post in the Screwball thread something to this effect:"I hate to disagree with you here, JP, but while you may be right about Lodbell this way," etc etc etc, "I think he is honest and credible," etc. (If you like this plan), I'll send you some details about the book so you can sound like you read it.)
5) I'll act a little surprised and offer to email you my review.
6) Friday, Saturday....all quiet. I'd suggest limiting your interactions here on TWeb; and in particular, IGNORE ME.
7) Sunday or Monday: Drop the bomb on the blog. Say we had a major falling out by email over my "dishonest" review of Lobdell. I'll write you a quote from me to use in which I "tell you off." For realism, don't forget to remove sidebar links to my site, my one post, and my name as an admin. (I'll save a copy of my post.) Say I'm "off" the blog and you're considering what to do with it, and also reconsidering your stint on TWeb. Then do not post there or on TWeb until....
8) Wednesday the 1st....when you drop the bomb! If you do this, it would be good to let the other blog members like aki know what we're doing and ask them not to post either.
I'll be offline shortly and back in the morning....let me know what you think!
There you go, moot point #2 has now been laid into the ground as another stupid strawman brought on by more of the typical self-denial. John...YOU'VE BEEN HAD.
But even in the event that that just isn't good enough for John...
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=2629353&postcount=89 (Pixie, you have full permission to post a screenshot of the message that was forwarded to you and the others prior to this prank).
And I guess John really did admit to lying about his blog in that good ol' stickied thread of his which proves that he made it all up. Going back to what was said in the not-so-long ago past:
Technically, I didn't lie.
Prove to me I did.
Besides, it doesn't matter that you know I started the Blog. I don't care. People will still visit there regardless, and I will continue sending people there.
You are the dishonest one.
Ah...and the truthfulness just keeps on coming. Priceless. And the best John's stupidity has to muster up is by twisting around the focus of the story (rather predictably) onto me and JPH for being the "liars" here. There are two interesting distinctions of why this is not so:
1) This was clearly a joke from the beginning. While not everyone was made aware beforehand, some were in fact notified prior to the event. Instead, John lied to his readers about the second blog and had no intentions of revealing to anyone that it was all fabricated.
2) Now that April Fools has come and gone, everyone that was fooled now knows that it was all a prank. As can be proven, JPH and myself admitted to the whole scheme of things. John...regardless of what he claims rather delusionally...did not and denied it in the face of the undeniable.
Moot point #3 has now also been laid to the ground.
Next another note of importance, CodewordConduit has recently publicly denounced DJ as a credible person:
I'll have to admit that the "information" that John had "sent to him" was written by me. However, it wasn't written to him - it was lazy conjecture between me and somebody else. This other person said "can I forward this to John?", and I was like "yeah, whatever, if you like."
He never even asked before posting it up here - and treated it SO SERIOUSLY! Like I was desparately analyzing exactly how he got his arse handed over to him on a platter and thought the world should know that something might not have gone to plan! Yeah right-o, dude got served.
At the end of the day I think it's pretty obvious that I have no side in this silly catfight, I just like the laughs that the situation provides. And this week?
The laughs are at John's expense. Mostly becasue of his hysterical whining and finger-pointing after the event.
Ms. Conduit, welcome to the Dark Side. Would you like some cookies? (Okay, maybe she hasn't taken a side yet, but she's certaintly welcome too. :)).
Not long after his response here, John made it a public issue on his blog (trying very hard not to be specific or to reference anyone in particular), which, after having been spotted by myself, was permanently removed from Debunking Christianity for some even more irrational motive than what John had in mind for posting it in the first place. I was sure that he did this so that no one could see how he argues based on emotional phases, and I was almost sure that, by John having removed it from DC, that the post was gone forever. It was removed so quickly that even a simple Google search for the post's title does not having any listings for 'Cached' page (UPDATE: Google must have taken a while to get to this, but the Cached version can be found here). I'm sure John intended this to be that way.
But lo and behold, a Tektonics.org frequenter (I know who you are though, but I'm not going to reveal it to everyone for your own sake) had saved the post just in time before having been erased. Down below you'll find the exact wording to the post that John had hoped of ridding forever (of course, the moral of the story is that if it isn't worth the publicity, why bother publishing it in the first place?). I had planned on removing expletive asterisks in order to demonstrate the degree of severity in John's inability to stomach a simple prank, but in order to keep this site at least somewhat "family friendly" I'll shorten the words out a bit so it isn't so explicit as it was in its original posted form:
Perhaps I'm Losing It; I Don't Know
I am ****ing tired of being shot at from both sides of the fence for five years because I actually want to reach the opposing side. If you are a skeptic and you want to take pot shots at me then **** off. I do not care. I really don't. There are many sites and books that preach to the choir on both sides of the fence. Fine. Go to them. That is not what I'm doing here. Get the point. I'm about ready to quit. I really am. I no longer care. I've done my part.
It's funny, because in many places, it sounds as if he's making an official leave and is closing shop. I'm pretty sure the comments he received had little to do with this. It'd be my hunch that this post is being rather disingenous (spelling?). It isn't because John really has intentions of leaving and closing shop, it's that he wants sympathy. He needs the comfort. And what is even more saddening is that John is taking a shot at both sides, not just Christians. So we have it here that John isn't interested in debating it, he's interested in reaffirming himself and keeping his ego inflated. I'm sorry John, but it's da truth, and you know it just as well as any other Tektonics.org TWebber.
Let's get a last-minute point clear: John and his lap dogs cannot logically claim that this is a post of "strawmen." There is evidence of this happening, word for word, as quoted. Unlike his blog, where has the freedom to remove content that either is self-destructive or censorship of opposition he doesn't appreciate, what he has posted on the TheologyWeb forum will stay there forever. This is perhaps one of the greatest moments in time that DJ has once again manged to embarrass no one else but himself. This isn't just some blurb to blog about. This, ladies and gentlemen, is going in the history books.
And at the request of fellow TWebber Tophet, I will end the commending of this glorious event in TWeb history with a song tributed to John Loftus' recent palm-faced blunder.